Today I would like to preach on the thought astonished beyond measure. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. What an encouragement! Paul refuted public false teaching publicly many times. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. I thought most people read themselves in scripture. How does God regard false teachers, and how are we to deal with them in our personal lives and families, and as the church? You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. This article is kept continuously updated as needed. How to Live Beyond Yourself We can experience fullness of life by acknowledging our weakness, putting our past behind us, striving toward a worthy goal, and going for broke. We only get to have the opinions of Christ as stated in the Bible. It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. John says virtually the same thing, and adds that to partner with false teachers is to take part in their wicked works. Next, as I hope you would agree, Scripture is our final authority as Christians. Christians dont get to have our own personal opinions. 1:37-When these believerswho had experienced different things about God became part of my life, my eyes were opened to see God in a brand new way. 7,400,364 journeys have been made to this site. #4b believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine and Osteens. Since you havent had a chance to question Priscilla about what she was talking about here (or maybe it was revealed in this Bible study? She has no control over who reads her blogs. - People coming out of sinful lives dont usually smell good. Romans 16:17-18 tells us were to mark false teachers and avoid them. Therefore, it is my recommendation that women not follow, support, or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer or Going Beyond Ministries at this time. It was an immediate NO after I listened to less than 1 minute of her reference about Oprah. Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. Priscilla Shirer: Living Your Life For Christ (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (February 18, 2021) Priscilla speaks at Christine Caines Propel Womens Conference. - Jonah didnt smell good. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Do you have other references to their false teaching? If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. How is this different? Bible Verses about 'Beyond'. This article is more along the lines of a court case where youre on the jury and Im showing you the evidence of Priscilla Shirer breaking the law. Day and night they go around her upon her walls, And iniquity and mischief are in her midst. Tonight at church he came up and thanked me for sharing and said he hated that these studies got past him. Luke 9:1-10:20, Denomination: These women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. We are to base everything we think, do, and believe on Scripture. Wow! I just do not think its right to judge anyones ministry it causes division with in the body of Christ why cant we just celebrate each other then we can learn from each other. And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. No-one is beyond hope. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, Genesis 24:15-20, Denomination: How is this different?. None. You are an intelligent woman. Do you think the stretching feels good? YLT, NASB, ASV, AM, LEB, WEB. I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. Im sorry, Im a little unclear. 1 Samuel 30:6-8, Denomination: It is Gods plan for every Christianto grow to spiritual maturity and intimacy with Him. Exegesis is taking a passage of Scripture in context, and leading out of it- teaching what the passage means. Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. 4. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. Often God reveals more through discussions and scripture references. Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. I also dislike how she makes a career of telling women not to have careers. That preaching to and teaching men is a violation of Scripture is also not an accusation, but a statement of fact. on Fighting for the Faith, True Woman Conference Speaker Priscilla Shirer Hears Gods Still, Small Voice at Apprising Ministries, Priscilla Shirer and Contemplative/Centering Prayer at Apprising Ministries, He Speaks to Me (April 24, 2008) promo video by Priscilla Shirer, War Rooms Priscilla Shirers Contemplative History, and Why ItMattersat Berean Research, Review of Priscilla Shirers Sermon: The Multitude by Chris Rosebrough, Priscilla Shirer- Mystic by David Sheldon, Priscilla Shirer: Out Of The Closet At The Alpha Leadership Conference 2017at Emergent Watch, Priscilla Shirerat Fighting for the Faith, Fervent Warning on Priscilla Shirerat Christian Answers for the New Age, Why I do not recommend Kendrick Brothers new movie, War Room, part 2 at The End Time, War Room: A Review by Justin Peters at Worldview Weekend, Stand Firm: A Review of War Room at Satisfaction Through Christ, Reblogged this on Seth Dunn and commented: Your defense of Moore and Shirer is based only on your own experiences and opinions. What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. Thank you so much for your consideration, In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. Let's find out as we begin this study in discernment, Choose What Is Right. I have attempted plenty of times to contact people like Priscilla Shirer. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men. Matthew 28:1-20, Denomination: Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? I thought Jesus used parables as a means of illustrating profound, divine truths. You just dont have enough time or energy to respond to every Tom, Dick and Mary.). You are teaching me and I didnt even realize it! but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. Morning Service Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? Indeed, we were the first to reach you with the gospel of Christ. Priscilla teaches something different. Going by her recent appearances, she no longer seems to have any reservations about violating the Scriptures that prohibit her from teaching and preaching to men. They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. THE CALL? Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). They are busy caring for their churches. Silly me! It will help you better understand biblical discernment and the fact that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude and others were pretty negative when it came to false teachers, too! The Bible doesnt say anywhere that because only two people out of two million entered the Promised Land that only a handful of people will be able to experience (theres that word again) what weve learned on the pew.. Though you may have become acquainted with her over the last several years from her roles in the movies Overcomer and War Room,she has been writing womens Bible studies and has been a popular speaker at womens conferences and other events for many years. The MEGA Live Event July 23rd, 2021 Tulips & Honey. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not . That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. These are just a few of the dozens of examples available on YouTube and elsewhere of Priscilla Shirer preaching to men. How can we be Christians who care? My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. *People who blessed us. But when an author rebukes another Christian publicly, as you have Ms. Shirer, than perhaps they may be asked to clarify further? Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. Stories such as these are easily remembered, the characters bold, and the symbolism rich in meaning. Before you answer No too quickly, consider that we cannot live without fear. I think it should be obvious that a face to face discussion is different from a written one, so theres no need to go into that. Do you send women to your articles as a response?. MAIN TEXT: MATTHEW 14:15 Tools. God made you capable and smart enough to read His word in a systematic way, understand it, and grow from it. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. As Joshua was facing the end of his life, he challenged the people to chose, the choice they would make would define them as a people. If you carefully examine Beths and Priscillas events over the last several years, youll see that they headline plenty of events that are wide open to both men and women. If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, in his justice and great righteousness, he does not oppress. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - That's When Miracles Happen! Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. Be a Christian Who Cares 15 Neither do we boast beyond our limits in the labors of others. So we both have been grateful ever sense, me personally because; as her husband she is my most important ministry, so besides Church, we do studies both together and private, and then share them with one another, we also pray together and so on, but i know (because i have learned, and it is also true of men) sometimes women need women.(Titus.2:3-4). Thats good, but that doesnt change the fact that neither Beth nor Priscilla turn down speaking events that are open to both men and women. Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. Reblogged this on queeninchrist's Blog and commented: to me she lacks conviction of the word I dont hear it; she reminds me of Joel Osteen and thats not a compliment. 3 Tests Of Plagiarism: Do Your Sermons Pass Them. I had to look these babies up in the dictionary!) Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. He wants you to learn good theology and sound doctrine. Going Beyond the Bible by Colin Morris. Like I said in todays article God has more for you and expects more from you than from you than settling for fluff and false doctrine. They both willingly, and without reservation, preach to co-ed groups all the time. Michelle, what do you think about this article? What Priscilla and so many others do is pretty much the opposite of a parable. They start, not with a biblical truth but with a story or life experience, and then they build doctrine and beliefs out of that experience. He said he met with the teachers of the studies and told them to go over and compare everything biblically and under his guidance to finish out the study and after that thereally will be no more Priscilla Shirer in our church. Verse Concepts. Jeremiah 24:7. They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. Jesus taught us the way He wanted us to pray. Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. Thank you, Daisy. They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. In Japan there was a man in the imperial orchestra couldnt play a note. Its not like they bend over backwards to exclude men and cant help it if men stay, short of being bodily removed. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. ), The Treasure You Already Are | Priscilla Shirer | [at Joyce Meyers] Love Life Womens Conference 2013, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why Christine Caine Is at the Top of Her List at the Christian Post, Priscilla Shirer recommends Joyce Meyer, Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, etc., Bible studies on her blog at Going Beyond, Priscilla Shirer speaks at Joyce Meyers womens conference alongside false teachers Joyce Meyer, Lisa Harper, and Sarah Jakes Roberts (T.D. She was the chosen bride, not for doing the minimum, but for going beyond the expected. I wish this particular writer would have more clearly defined what he means by silence. The riches of His word are amazing! Just got home form a conference defending the faith. Its a complete waste of time. Also, Lisa is doing the Women of Joy tour with Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, Ann Voskamp, Lauren Daigle, etc. #4a- Unfortunately, most people do read themselves into Scripture (largely due to being taught that way by false teachers such as the aforementioned and many others), but that doesnt mean its the correct way to study Scripture. CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. First,this is a sin. Have you ever pondered how a rubber band feels when a person stretches it beyond where it has been? Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. 2 JOHN Christianity and Adversity: Corona Virus and a Faith Based approach 2. The Bible doesnt say anything of the sort. Verse 13. 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? Mark 7:31-37. (I remember when I was a missionary to New Guinea back in the 80s, the missionaries were teaching us how to reach the unsaved New Guinea nationals by telling simple Bible stories, and stories of how our lives were changed by Jesus. read more, Scripture: Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? Hi Osa- Not off the top of my head. My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. They point you to your own experiences and opinions, not to Scripture, as your authority for what you think, believe, and do. Elizabeth. she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! Heres why. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. Wow, I found Ms. Shirers book Fervent very helpful and uplifting. In addition, Beth Moore violates other Scriptures including the ones prohibiting the teaching of false doctrine and yoking ourselves together with those who do. Im not sure if youre referring to Beths inclusion of Catholicism, or both Beths and Priscillas joining with people who subscribe to Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) false doctrine. But you have fired a shot across the bow and Im hoping that you will have the courage to further clarify your stand against a sister. Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. Your objection is most likely answered here. Our Ladies Bible Study started a new season on January 5 with Priscilla Shires Armor of God. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. Steven Furtick is the pastor of Lysa TerKeurst, and he is on Oprahs Super Soul 100 list. Did anything frighten you this morning? Ive read her own account explaining this. Or and be .. Go beyond what's familiar. 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