Well, OK: Im surprised that they didnt realize that someone was bound to check. Sheesh. GK Chesterton, The Everlasting Man. I am a theorist I merely analyze humor he has to consider its impact. In Why would they have believed in Sola Scriptura? ya know Besides, Bills right that its a hijack attempt. They have revealed themselves clearly. If people had stuck to the topic, there would not be nearly 700 mostly off-topic posts (what is this, Slashdot?). and the indigination is too much I fail to see how the Bible being 100% Gods word neccessitates the rejection of the FACT that God employed human authors to convey His Word. Maybe Q borrowed them from Art. Dont make the mistake of assuming I hold the same low standard as you. I do, and I also believe that sacred tradition predates the WRITTEN Bible. Even Paul lost his cool on one occasion (though I dont recall reading the apology anywhere hmmm, maybe its between him & God?). Does Belief in the Trinity Necessitate Shirk? Seeing as how this does kind of touch on Jimmys day job, and since I vaguely remembered a prior post, I used the search option and found that Mr. Akin had, indeed, already covered this most recent argument: There are many possible reasons that a Catholic somewhere might do something like that, for example, out of spite for White. Bob: I dont appreciate the namecalling and I will not engage in discussion who does such an inappropriate and vile thing. Paul, Good read, if youre allowed. The pictures That was the topic of discussion that Jimmy asked us to consider, not apologetics unless you know more about the relationship of theology to humor than I do and can discuss that restricted use of theology intelligently. What a weak excuse Johnathan. Goodness, this is still going on? He has been married for more than thirty-six years and has two children and four grandchildren. is unique, standing alone against all the call me Fox like Esau has. JAMES GALLERY. 7:10,11) That hardly seems right. Alpha & Omega 115 Trucker Hat. You may think that I am misguided, but that is what I truly believe. So much for the perspicuity of Scripture. 10:16). This could constitute a rejection of Christ and His gospel (again according to the believer) and therefore de-Christianizes the saved who falls away from grace (or prove that the person was never saved in the first place, according to Calvinism which was not taught at my Baptist church). Otherwise, how is one to judge between one list of books and another? Chuckto the extent charity isnt shown to Dr. White, Id agree. Jimmy allows random people to post in his comboxes without requiring any sort of registration. Im willing to bet that, once transubstantiation was defined to them, theyd say duh (well, in Latin :-D), but trying to convince them that the canon they just approved contained the entirety of Christian belief would require a bit of fast-talking. We have been sucked into it because White needed something else to direct his attention to. lied. What Mr. Greydanus said. Unfortunately, Jimmy Akin insisted on focusing on these issues and misdirect people way from the theological issues. Those to Whom they personally Handed down they Faith and their Authority? Your original claim was that the Apostles were empowered. I point out the way. 2. Simple. Finally I see now the ruse!!! He is an accomplished debater, having engaged in more than one hundred seventy-five moderated, public debates with leading proponents of Roman Catholicism, Islam, Jehovahs Witnesses, and Mormonism, as well as critics such as Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Marcus Borg, and John Shelby Spong. We have to learn to do our work as independently of these considerations as possible. Laser, asked CatholicWayne on | Aug 11, 2007 12:55:01 PM When I first saw them on James White web site I did not think it was funny at all and was shock that he used those images to make a point. Its not a true blog, that part aside, one can email Dr White directly and comments that have come through email are handled by Dr. White or aomin.org staff. Why dont you read the writings of the early church fathers for yourself and try to explain why prominent in the early church was the Eucharist, the Real Presence, Reconciliation, Anointing of the Sick, among other things Catholic? Please give a specific example. Intent is not dispositive. Romans 10 Fine. He wasnt talking to me. Aug. 10, 6:22 pm No I dont and I never did so Id appreciate it if youll write a recantation to that accusation. You havent been reasonable. Never argue with a fool, because a third party will not be able to tell the difference. No one is doing him any favors, when they refuse him the loan of a bathrobe & slippers.But then, the Catholics he so despises have made the offer; he was too busy to notice. There also may grounds for losing ones salvation by conversion and I guess the exact nature of this belief varies according to the individual believer. Admin Country:US Nameless, This from the person who called Esau a liar. degrees from Columbia Evangelical Seminary (formerly Faraston Theological Seminary), an unaccredited online school. Well if wikipedia says itit must be true. Every word they said, every thing they touched, was holy; their bodies had to be preserved and filed past in reverential silence. As I mentioned on this thread and on the Amazing. Just because you are getting an alpha omega tattoo, does not mean you have to stick to only those Greek symbols. It seems a bit strange to hear (Especially from a Calvinist) that the Canon of Scripture was borne into existence and unbeknownst to God before the writing of scripture proper. -CareBear. Jimmy has a legitimate point about a serious matter. In recent years James has debated in such locations as Sydney, Australia, as well as mosques in Toronto, London, and South Africa. Then we talked vaccine mandates and what they Back in the regular studio today. I have noticed that White has been especially hysterical about the Beckwith situation. Wow, big discovery. Scripture is what it is in its current form due to the revelation of God concerning infallible canon, not as a result of Roman Catholic councils 300 years after the cessation of written revelation. This applies to both sides in every situation. And I think his analogy to jihad is an apropos means of expressing it. Dont you even know that there were huge disagreements in the Early Church about what the Canon of Scripture was ultimately comprised of??? Shabir Ally at University of Pretoria, South Africa 10/8/2013, Shortened Road Trip DL, Response to Andrew Tate Conversion, Sam Gipp Versus the KJV Translators, Mormonism Review Including the Book of Abraham, Confucianism, Islam, and Christianity One Point of Contrast, Views on Homosexuality, Interaction with Lindsay on Gnosticism, Brandan Robertsons Continued Apostasy, Yuvul Noah Hararis Mengelian Worldview, First Program on Odysee: Omicron Variants, Scotus Case, TROnlyism Again, Responding to Tim Stratton, Road Trip: Mary Dogma & Christ A Sole Mediator, First Baptist Church, Opelousas, Louisiana, 2/11/23, Road Trip: The History & Danger of the Roman Catholic Doctrine, First Baptist Church, Opelousas, Louisiana, 2/10/23, Travel Project Announcement, What is Marriage? Debate Review, Road Trip: Debate What is Marriage? Esau, I think that has us beat. Simply Amazing. thread and see how it unravelled there. Scriptural sufficiency, as always! Dr. James White vs Keith Giles, First Lutheran Church, 1311 Holman St., Houston, Texas 77004, Open Air Theology Conference 2023, February 16 -18, 2023, Covenant Reformed Baptist Church, 305 South Anderson St, Tullahoma, TN 37388, February 18, 2023, Debate: LSB vs KJV, Dr. James White vs Thomas Ross, Covenant Reformed Baptist Church, 305 South Anderson Street, Tullahoma, TN 37388. Name above all names I can understand that Dr. White may see these pictures as funny, but he must bow to the larger view, at least in the short term, if he is to demonstrate that he is charitable. Registrant Email:whois-protected2@mapname.com Thus, perhaps you see now at least a potential source of frustration for Catholics. I consider the discussion way off-track with regards to the original topic of this thread. Those 8 questions belong are enough for several threads. Yesterday I posted two pictures that any rational person knows had one point and one point only: it is hypocritical to rant and scream and threaten in religious matters while claiming to be charitable and peaceful. The Assumption of Moses 1) Constantine Simonides claimed that he wrote the document based on collating pre-existing manuscripts, and that his uncle corrected the document. Those Jedi mind tricks dont work on me. Lying about Catholics cant be bad because its a joke? Mr. Whites post comparing Catholics to Islamic extremists is internet troll-like behavior, and Jimmy called him on that. honestly, if your going to be consistant, you need to consistently apply that category error to Edward too, lest your obsession for White be found out. In that respect, I think White is right to say Do these folks really think that lying about me, slamming what I have written without showing the first bit of knowledge of it is supposed to attract me to this religion? Everybody here knows hes lashing out irrationally, and right or wrong, theres no reason to be an occasion of sin by provocation. have I missed or misstated anything? And, by the bye,I am a United Methodist, not Catholic. Isnt that a littleobsessive? Its typically the duty of the accuser to prove guilt. Visit the Amazing. Dont you?. Thats where protestantism is really you friend. He is a professor, having taught Greek, Systematic Theology, and various topics in the field of apologetics. When I was graduating from my Baptist Seminary, I heard of a small group like that about thirty miles away. Someone wanted trouble, and they were TRYING to make this web site be found. Matthew 12:33-37 A few obseravations: Only the King James Bible hasn't been tampered with! James White, February 13, 2023, Musings, Personal, Provisionism, Road Trip, Roman Catholicism, , Thomism Got started a little late so we didn't go a full hour but covered some "Tweet theology," including responding to Leighton Flowers and looking at some Thomas stuff. all of which you clearly demonstrated by your assumptions that Catholic Answer was behind that website. And I would not analogize it to Rome, but for the lessons of a well documented history, connecting clearly the dots between sacral thinking and the eventual death and destruction such thinking begets. the fundamental philosophical flaw is its functional commitment to a nominalism that denies connection or categories. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. Its hilarious that you feel that facts from the debate is irrelevant when, actually, it is the very heart of the matter! P.O. Blessed Redeemer Correlation B. Astronomical Data 1. Planning on becoming a Protestant seminary professor, he started an intensive study of the Bible. Matthew. White, J. R. Scripture Alone, Bethany House Publishers, Bloomington, MN, p.100-103. Created On:04-Aug-2007 09:17:04 UTC James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries. Name Server: Jerry, Until he does, I dont have to answer his questions. That wont work on me. Admin ID:DI_471115 Thatd be a really uninformative debate. Were gonna go to imams! Anti-Catholicism rots the mind. In the Catholic Church is fulfilled the prophecy of Malachy: From the rising of the sun to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation; for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of Hosts (Mal. Point the finger directly at Jimmy Akin and Catholic Answers as finally revealed here by your comments! Does the Bible Restrict Marriage To A Man and a Woman? Mr. Akin is the victor now, due to no truth or veracity on his part or his positions. God is with us. First tell us, what race are the Germans? He is the author of more than twenty books, a professor, and an accomplished debater. Thats the kind of thing Im talking about. SighI reckon its a tragic cycle of internet violence. Now, I have obviously attempted to insert a bit of levity, and a bit of humorous sarcasm here, for the simple reason that Im to the point where you either have to laugh or cry. lied. And how does one persons opinion speculation make us all look bad, precisely? I do not agree with the theology or conclusions. Or how shall they believe him of whom they have not heard? Indeed, will He not exercise just as much divine power in establishing and fufilling His purpose for the Scriptures (their functioning as a guide to the church) as He has in inspring them? in order to be saved. As I already stated, I assumed the url was their doing, because any able-minded, reasonable person would firgure that a url naturally belongs to the site it displays. In that post, Jimmy links to http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0309bt.asp http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/08/james-white-has.html#c79351988. And so Catholics began to call themselves Catholic. In that same century St. Augustine said: All heretics wish to call themselves Catholics; yet if you ask any of them to direct you to a Catholic church, he will not direct you to his own! Okay, lets first examine the url post: 18:18) Something to keep his mind occupied from the horror. His articles are actually substantive for the most part as I noted above. Lets be honest, if it were anyone other than him posting pictures like that people wouldnt be reacting in such a manner. Heres what is rational. 500 posts, Hmmm. That means that we can be confident that His shepherds also exist in this time and this place to guide us. //Except that Bob also said: So neener, neener, I won and everyone else should back me up.// IF he did it intentionally, that would make him a liar. Dear No Name: No, I didnt. Or maybe its just a game. YEAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!. OLE JIMBO WHITE APOLOGIZE?? in short: scripture exists. As others have observed in this thread, its not possible to use reason with someone not being rational. Quite liberating, actually. Fundementalists follow the Hadith and traditions of Islam which explain put the Quran in its context As a former catholic, Evangelical, and a devoted follower of White- though we strongly disagree on the Calvinism vs. Arminianism issue.I wish to support his use of gallows humor to make a point. Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED By the way, How exactly are Islamists the National Socialist Workers of the post 9/11 world? Thank you so much for your answer! 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