Published Mar 19, 2021 3:00 PM EDT. Most only in imaginations. According to the 45th Edition of the Lyman Mag. Driving a 160-grain jacketed bullet to a velocity of just over 2300 fps, it represented a fantastic hunting cartridge for its time. .351 cartridge enjoyed a rather long production life. The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). Using the lighter .358-inch diameter bullets weighing 150 to 200 grains, the .35 Remington gave enough power to cleanly take a deer, bear or similar sized animals, without pounding the shooters shoulder to jelly. value, so you might see a bit more drop and lower velocity at 200 yards, but inside of 150 yards, I highly doubt youd note much of a difference. The .35 Rem. Of the four rifle cartridges introduced with the Remington Model 8, the .35 Remington was by far the most popular and is the only one still in production. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. Here, he explains their advantages and disadvantagesand how to use them safely. In 1968 the 600 Magnum was replaced by the Model 660 Magnum, which featured a 20-inch barrel, but it was never a big seller, and Remington dropped the rifles. can be loaded with bullets ranging from 125 grains to 220 grains, and the .30-30 with bullets between 100 grains and 190 grains. Lyman mold #350319. The trouble is, they didnt sell. Particularlywhen used in a high quality rifle, the .35 Remington is capable of pretty darn good accuracy and Ive shot many nice groups with an off the shelfRemington Model 81. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. The .35 Remington was extremely effective in that role. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. The .30/30 Winchester was introduced in 1895 for Winchesters model 1894 lever-action rifle and is unquestionably the most popular cartridge ever chambered in a lever-gun. The ammunition situation is a little better than the rifles. The .351 Winchester SL cartridge had but one loading, a 180-gr. Outside that area, I feel that the sheer number of rifles chambered for the .35 Remington will assure a steady supply of good ammunition, fulfilling the role the .35 was designed for. has "far better knockddown power than the .30-30 under any conditions and at any range." .35 Remington This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. Long and short if it is under 150 yards there's very little difference in killing power between the 35 Rem and 308 Win. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. On the other hand, the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington load will drop 17 inches with the same 200-yard zero. Thats what I did. My mom made the best elk pot roast, Outstanding article. The exception to that rule is Hornadys LeveRevolution ammo line, which uses a pliable tip on a spitzer bullet to afford a much flatter trajectory in both cartridges. It never has been and never will be a good long range cartridge, but if anything,modern loadings using high quality bullets have further improved the performance of the .35 Remington on big game at short to moderate range. gunswizard. | Here's the inside story of what they found and how they're rebuilding an industry giant. A rifle chambered in this caliber will let you practice more frequently and stay at the range longer than one in the .35 Rem. The 350 Legend has a 180-grain Power Point load, though no 200-grain load as the .35 Remington does. Why cant we love the .35? vs. .458 Lott7mm Rem. [1], The 835mm cartridge of the Ribeyrolles M1918 was based on the .351 SL. At 300 yards, it has 19 percent more energy than the .300 Win. It was predictable that the .356 Win. Those traditional lead-core bullets have proved their worth in the field, but its tough to compete with the advancements in bullet-making of the last 20 years. Ballistics I live in the Wind River valley of Wyoming in grizzly country. At ranges less than 100 yards, likewhen hunting whitetail deeror black bear in thick cover,the cartridge excels and is absolutely deadly on big game. It used to be that you couldnt find an eastern deer camp without a .35 Remington in it. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. offered the performance level of the .358 Win. contemporary Model 8 autoloader by Remington. Searching GunBroker.com for used firearms chambered in .35 Rem. Jacketed bullet diameter is .351", not Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. Winchester introduced the .351 SL in the Winchester Model 1907 self-loading rifle as a replacement for the Winchester Model 1905 and the .35 SL. The .350 Legend has some catching up to do if it wants to rival its 127-year-old predecessor. The sad truth is that the active list of current .35-caliber rifles and cartridges is tragically short. Scoped and out to 350 yards the 308 has it hands down. He was born in 1921 and later served as a navy corpsman in Japan and Korea. Especially when used in handy, quick pointing rifles such as the Marlin 336, the .35 Remington really comes into its own when used in thick cover. In most guns, neither cartridge produces the velocity or accuracy for varmints, and both are underpowered for very large game. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. It is believed that. In a modern bolt-action rifle, hand loaders can achieve velocities of 2,400 fps with a 200-grain bullet, making the .35 Rem. The .35 Remington has proven itself for almost a century as a reliable short-range woods cartridge for medium-sized game such as deer and black bear. Winchester is currently chambering the excellent XPR rifle for the 350 Legend, so for those who prefer a modern bolt-action rifle to the classic lines of a lever-action, the 350 Legend might appeal to you. Winchester model 1907 in .351 winchester. Additionally, the .35 Remington will perform adequately on larger game such as elk, grizzly bear, brown bear and moose. The 35 Remington also uses a bullet about 18% heavier and with over 35% more frontal surface area (.1007 vs .0745 square inches). It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. As Barnes puts it, the .35 Rem. Remington, Winchester, Federal, Hornady, and Buffalo Bore, among others, currently offer a handful of different .35 Remington ammo options. Id be hunting deer with my father the following season, and that alone was a dream come true. It wasn't and isnt a long-range cartridge, but at distances inside of 125 to 150 yards, the .35 Remington surely gets the job done. Curious how the new .360 Buckhammer will be received by the market. If were being honest with ourselves, the majority of American hunters, especially in the south and northeast, will take only a handful of shots at big game at ranges past 100 yards in their lifetime. 1.380" long that uses small rifle primers. up to 0.358 inches and dubbed it the poor mans magnum.. of energy with a 7.5-pound rifle, according to Chuck Hawks recoil table. This ammunition is often loaded to lower velocities in consideration of older firearms which have not been properly maintained, and large differences are seen over the chronograph relative to vintage .351 SL ammunition. Its often thought that if they had it would have gained popularity over the .338 Win. A major online retailer only lists four loads for the .35 Remington but lists 35 different options for the .30/30. For a more detailed discussion on .35 Remington hunting ammunition, read this article: Best .35 Remington Ammo For Hunting Deer, Bear & Other Big Game. But it offers only 100fps more with a 200 gr. Winchester saw this and developed a new round offering a low recoil, low cost, straight-walled case that fit into the laws and guns of the area dominated by .450 BM. Like most of our Caliber Battles, the choice here is between a lighter bullet going faster (the .30-30) and a heavier bullet going slower (the .35 Rem.). I can in 1957 and .351 ammunition was offered for several years after that. The .350 Rem. Something to think about if you really want a .348 Winchester based cartridge. and the 6.5 mm Rem. Mag. and the .32 Win. Out west and the .30/30 is the king. While the .35 Remington was extremely popular when first introduced in the early 1900s, the cartridge has fallen out of mainstream use in recent years. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. The .30-30 has an even clearer edge when it comes to availability of firearms. Which is the more useful cartridge? Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. They truly were ahead of their time, as they were short magnums back when being a short magnum wasnt cool. When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win. The elder statesman of the deer woods, the .30-30 Win. has far better knockddown power than the .30-30 under any conditions and at any range.. I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. Mag. Read on for his take on this Thai-inspired fusion dish. Well played Winchester; we all need to work together. I double lunged a buck with a 225gr. Likewise, the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington can sustain 1711 foot-pounds of energy for a 100-yard distance. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. I've been told that Winchester will soon produce full-metal-jacket (FMJ) ammunition for the .350 Legend, and that the FMJ load will cost even less per box. Mag. Yes, there was a .35 Win., introduced in 1903, although it's commonly thought that the .35 Rem. The .351 WSL is based on a semi-rimmed, straight-sided case In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. However, they are high pressure loads and should only be used in modern firearms, such as the Marlin 336, that are in good condition. The .35 Remington was releasedas one of a quartet of rimless cartridges from Remingtonin 1906; it is a rimless affair designed for their Model 8 autoloading rifle. Its thought to be the rifle legendary stock detective Tom Horn used for his assassinations, and African professional hunter Wally Johnson even used a .30/30 with success on lions. But bringing down game isnt just about heavy, fast-flying bullets. The 2019 SHOT Show saw the release of the latest cartridge from Winchester: the 350 Legend. It has far more knockdown power than the .30-30 under any conditions at any range. Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. The .35 Remington initially found favor among hunters seeking a good brush bullet and many deer, bear, elk, and even moose have fallen to the .35 Remington over the years. Deriving its name from a combination of the caliber and the powder charge (.30 caliber, 30 grains of powder) the .30-30 was introduced in 1895, in the John Browning-designed Model 1894 Winchester. Like any inquisitive young man, I delved into the history and nostalgia of the .30 WCF, or .30-30, and the many names it has carried, and was honored to take my first deera whitetail doewith the same cartridge that my father took his. 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If the .35 Rem. If you shoot a .35 Remington, I see no reason whatsoever to stop doing so, just make sure you keep an ample supply of whatever load your rifle likes. Many now consider the .35SL inadequate as a deer round, but it may still be suitable . Copyright 2009, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. G. Joined: Feb 2010. The .351 Winchester Self-Loading (also called .351 SL or .351 WSL) is an American rifle cartridge designed in 1906. Neither produce much felt recoil, which makes them perfect for lighter rifles and newer hunters. Contrary to what Gen Z shooters might think, traditionally styled lever-action rifles are not just relics or a way to get your cowboy fix. An experimental Thompson submachine gun was also made to fire .351 SL in 1919 but was never produced commercially. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. its all about money. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. The .35 Remington load using the 150-grain Core-Lokt obtains just about the same muzzle velocity, with a bullet having a lower B.C. The .35 Rem. This helps support the blog and allows me to continue to create free content thats useful to hunters like yourself. In the years since, the .35 Rem. Still, much like the old man who can rattle your teeth with a punch, appearances can be deceiving. The muzzle velocity was stated to be 1850 fps and the muzzle energy 1370 ft. lbs. The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. [1] .35 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge diagram. Commonly known as the Model 07, the Model 1907 rifle was also popular for law enforcement use. For those interested in wringing out all of the power available in the .35 Remington, there are a couple of other .35 Remington ammunition options besides the standard 200gr soft point loads listed above. Winchester claims the cartridge has 20 percent more penetration and 20 percent less recoil than the .243 Winchester, yet that comparison though it may be perfectly viable didnt exactly translate well to me. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Its flatter trajectory helps hunters reach across the open country, and I doubt theres a real ranch west of the big river that doesnt have a .30/30 lever-gun behind the kitchen door, if not behind the truck seat. A very small number of Winchesters legendary bolt-action pre-64 Model 70 rifles were manufactured in .35 Remington as well. and .32 Rem. Mag. I give the edge to the apparently timeless .30-30 Winchester for the availability alone; there are dozens of factory loads to choose from, and being .30-caliber is never a bad thing. The 243 Winchester has a longer overall length and uses a longer case length than the 223 Remington. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Introduced in 1906, it was originally chambered for the Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle in 1908. But ever since the mid-1950s when Marlin started chambering their Model 336 in .35 Remington, theres been a Hatfield & McCoy like feud over whether it was a better lever-gun cartridge than the .30/30 Winchester. 25 yard broadside shot with his 35 Remington put it down in thick brush. Marlin offers the Model 336 in both .30-30 and .35 Rem., but its unclear whether Ruger (which recently purchased Marlin) will continue the line. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. At this time, Henry and Marlin are the only two companies Im aware of that produce new rifles in the cartridge. 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